'Doctrines of Men', 'Once Saved Always Saved' and 'Predestination'.

I am a retired pastor of the Church of God (Tennessee).
My name is Isaac Livingston. I am from Neyyoor India

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'Once Saved Always Saved' and 'Predestination'

'Once saved always saved' is a twist from true doctrine and from common sense. First they tell sinning people that they are saved, and then they say that they will always be saved, and both are lies. God's people are predestinated to live a holy life as Jesus has lived.

1. Doctrines of Men and Doctrine of Demons

In Matthew 15:8&9 Jesus says, "8 This people draweth nigh unto me with their mouth, and honoureth me with their lips; but their heart is far from me. 9 But in vain they do worship me, teaching for doctrines the commandments of men." They worship me ceremonially very well, but they teach their own doctrine, but not God's doctrine, and so their worship is vain. In Ephesians 4:14, Apostle Paul warns saying, "That we henceforth be no more children, tossed to and fro, and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, and cunning craftiness, whereby they lie in wait to deceive;" Their doctrines are sleight, they are skills of men that are designed to deceive. I Timothy 4:1&2 says, "1 Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils; 2 Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;" There are seducing spirits, and devils, give doctrine and power to people. Doctrines are teaching that directs our lives. Worship gives satisfaction to us and provides a show to others. But their doctrines will kill our spirit. Our spiritual lives are more important to God, than our ceremonies.

2. How to escape false doctrine and deception?

It must begin with our concept of God. False preachers will never tell you that they promote a false God. But they give you another Jesus and false Christ, as your God through their doctrine. You will have no problem accepting them, because the label in the package is Jesus Christ, but inside the package is another Jesus and false Christ. If you will not take time to check inside, but go along with their doctrine, you will be deceived. But if you want to escape deception, you must know who the true Lord Jesus Christ is, and who God the Father is, and you must verify whom do you have. "1 Peter 1:15 But as he which hath called you is holy, so be ye holy in all manner of conversation; 16 Because it is written, Be ye holy; for I am holy." So, the true God will not compromise holiness either in him or in us. Revelation 15:3 says, "... Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways..." The bible says in many places, God is just, and his judgments are righteous. So, if a preacher presents a God to you, who is not holy, true, righteous, and who is not judging according to righteousness, then he is presenting you a false god. Hebrews 11:6 says, "... God is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him." You must remember this about God. If you stand strong in these few points, nobody can fool you with fake gods. Let me repeat them, since they are very important for you to escape deception that can rob your eternal life. If a preacher presents a God, who is not perfectly holy in all sides; not just and true in all his ways; not perfectly righteous in judging people; then his God is fake, and the preacher is false.

3. What in 'Once Saved Always Saved' doctrine?

In the doctrine, saved means, they escaped hell. 'Once saved always saved' doctrine has two traps. First, they tell people, who are not saved as they are saved. They will convince and confirm sinning people as saved people. The second is; now they will tell them that they are permanently saved, no matter what they do. They can live like the devil; commit all sins under the sun; still their salvation is guaranteed. It is a good deal; so, people love them. They are in every church. They will learn to say, it is by grace; and they are deceived, and they enjoy it. They are never saved, but now they think that they are permanently saved. Let us study both points from scriptures. It is very important, because our eternity depends on it.

4. We are saved from hell; Is it Pretense Or Truth?

In John 8:34 Jesus says, "... I say unto you, Whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin. 2 Peter 2:9 The Lord knoweth how ... to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:" Jesus and Peter say that if we are sinning, we are not saved, and we will be punished on the judgment day. "Matthew 1:21 tells that Jesus, ... shall save his people from their sins." So, Jesus Christ will save them from their sins, that is from their sinning. If sinning is taken away, they will not sin again. So, God will forgive their past sins. Then, they will have no sins, and so, no punishment. This is how, God saves people. But preachers tell stories. They tell you that you are saved from the punishments for sinning, while you are yet committing sins. It is not true.  I have a video and transcript on this topic. It has all the details. If you like to listen, I have the link below.

5. If we are Saved; is it kept, or we must keep it?

The slogan "once saved always saved" means; that if we are saved, we got it. After that, we never will be punished in hell, even if we live like the devil, doing all the sins in the world. It is what the doctrine says, even it is against common sense. The devil wants everybody to commit sin and go to hell; and people are also very excited in their freedom to commit sin. For a moment, let us think that we are really saved. Now, do we have to keep the salvation, or is salvation permanent? If we are truly saved, we have strived to be saved, and so, we will keep it. If we have believed a preacher, or a doctrine, that we got salvation by doing nothing, we will do nothing to keep it, and it is fake salvation. At the end, we will burn in the lake of fire.

Now the question is, can it be lost if we are truly saved. This question is for theology people to have fun, just like playing tennis. God's people know what it is. However, let us see it. Jesus Christ says, in "Matthew 24:24, ... if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect." The very elect of God is saved people. If they accept false preachers, they will be deceived and be lost. "Romans 11:22 Behold therefore the goodness and severity of God: on them which fell, severity; but toward thee, goodness, if thou continue in his goodness: otherwise thou also shalt be cut off." This is the warning of the Lord Jesus Christ. If we are saved, continue in his goodness; or else, we will be cut off also. Once saved, you must continue in salvation. Or else you will be in hell. "1 Corinthians 3:16 Know ye not that ye are the temple of God, and that the Spirit of God dwelleth in you? 17 If any man defile the temple of God, him shall God destroy;" You are the temple of God, and the Spirit of God lives in you. But, at this point if you defile yourself with sin, God will destroy you in hell. So, 'once saved', you must hold the position. Salvation is not automatically kept. We must keep it. John 15:16, 1 Corinthians 9:27, 10:12, 15:2, 1 Timothy 5:12, Revelation 20:15, and 22:19, all say the same thing. Let us see one more verse. "2 Peter 2:20 For if after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ, they are again entangled therein, and overcome, the latter end is worse with them than the beginning." They who escaped sin by the doctrine of Jesus Christ, if they fall into sin again by deception, the latter end is worse than the first. They will be thrown in the lake of fire. 'Once saved always saved' is a cheap lie. Godly people know it. Ungodly people will dabble with it.

6. What is the Doctrine of Predestination?

Predestination doctrine says that our final eternal destination was decided by God, even before the world was created. So, whatever we do for our eternal life is irrelevant and a waste of time, since we are just pawns in the hands of God, in his little game. So, let us be quiet and accept whatever is coming, and enjoy what we have. This is the doctrine. The purpose of this doctrine is that the devil doesn't want us to strive for eternal life, but he wants all of us go to hell. The devil is a spirit, and so he uses people to preach his doctrine. He is the prince of this world, and so he takes intelligent people, who love fame and money, and recruit them to do the job. This is a cheap shot; and so, those who love the word of God will not fall for it.

The word predestinate appears just four time in the bible in two chapters. Preachers just read the verses, but will not teach the verses in their context. They will never look at the verses again, but pick the word predestinate, and play their games with it. One guy brought Greek words into play; most guys bring the names of many theologians and what they say into play; years of church history and their progressions in their doctrines come into play; and they all have sport. They use many high-sounding words from the bible, juggle them around, but not to teach anything, but to confuse people and to impress them, until they gain admiration from their audience. At this point the audience may think that this man is the scholar and he know it all. It is a kind of mesmerizing. At the high point, he goes for the strike. The preacher announces that our destination is already decided, God chose us even before the foundation of the world; that is, now we are all in Christ; and so, all the audience have made it. It is indoctrination. They don't feel sorry for them who have not made it. But they come to the defense of God saying, who can question God; does he not have the right to do what he has done? Somehow with reluctance they celebrate their choosing. They brain wash people. I had a few occasions to write to these preachers. I wrote to them, as I have accepted all their arguments, but at the end I added saying; dear Sir, how come you did not know that God did not choose you, instead he has chosen me to be in Christ and you to be in hell? Nobody answered me. They are cheap deceivers.

7. What does Scripture say about Predestination?

The word predestinate is mentioned in the Bible four times, in two chapters. The first one is in Romans 8:28-30. Let us study these verses. "Romans 8:28 And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose." This verse says, that some people love God, and they were called for a special purpose. These are not random people; they love God and God knows them. "29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren." God predestinate these people whom he foreknew, to live like his Son Jesus Christ, so that, they also become the sons of God, in the manner that Jesus Christ became the begotten Son. I have a link below, for the begotten Son also, you may study it. "30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified." God calls these people and predestinates them to live like his Son Jesus. God gives them grace, power, and Spirit, and they become 'just and righteous'. At the end, God glorifies them by adopting them as Sons, giving an inheritance to them in his kingdom. In order receive grace, we must be humble; to receive Spirit, we must ask repeatedly through our hearts; to receive power, we must receive Jesus; and to receive mercy, we must be merciful. Even though all are free, everything has requirements. False preachers will not teach the verses; but preach some other nonsense, which have nothing to do with this.

Predestination is mentioned in one other place in the scripture. Let us look at it. "Ephesians 1:4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:" Even before God has created the world, the purpose of his creation was, to beget sons for him. For that purpose, he did not blindly pick some people in random. Every false preacher purposely twists the meaning of the word 'chosen' as random pick. Chosen is not to pick any, but to select very carefully under scrutiny and evaluation, against the standards of requirement, for a highly valued criterion. One of the criteria of God is, that we must be the kind of people, who will live holy and without blame before him, and we must do it in love toward him, not with any other motive. "5 Having predestinated us unto the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to himself, according to the good pleasure of his will," The good pleasure of God's will is, that we must attain such a Spirit quality, to be adopted as the children of God, and then only Jesus Christ will adopt us to be his children. It is foolish to say that God picks up some dust from filth. "11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:" If we meet his purpose, we will inherit his kingdom as his children. But, how can we be chosen by God? Jesus Christ says in John 15:19, "If ye were of the world, the world would love his own: but because ye are not of the world, but I have chosen you out of the world, therefore the world hateth you." If you are religious, you are of the world, since religion is of the world. If you are godly, religion will hate you, but God will love you and he will choose you. Do you want to be chosen by God?

The links for a few related topics are given below.

Please click on them to study, thank you.

As God begot Jesus as His Son, God will beget Us also. "Begotten Son."

What is Salvation, and how to be Saved? "Saved, Salvation."

Faith is the proof, for our Hope in God, for our eternity. "Faith by Proof."

What is Grace that Saved Us from sins? "Grace is power to overcome."

Jesus Christ Cleans and then forgives, for Eternal Life. "Cleans then Forgives."

If we are Saved once, can that Salvation be lost? "Yes! It is a caution."

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